Комментарии к фотографиям из города Хамхын (троллейбус)

Цитата (Евгений Лысый, 22.11.2021):
> дождаться троллейбуса?
>

там утром и вечером тралики ходят.)))

Цитата (ExpressAuto, 22.11.2021):
> По крайней мере очень на то похоже.

Совсем не похоже, в левом половине даже отражения разглядеть можно, стекло на месте.

У водителя суперская вентиляция, кроме здоровенного люка ещё и по ходу левой половинки лобового стекла нет. По крайней мере очень на то похоже.

Если объектом съёмки была троллейбусная линия, отчего уж было фотографу не дождаться троллейбуса?

Радуют дерева - туи, или кипарисы, высотой с 10-этажный дом.

Quote (TimoN, 27.11.2020):
> маска

Different theory: the bus got into a traffic accident and the front was replaced. Bus 109 was already the modern trolleybus model in 2016, so why would they change it again in only 3 years? Above the driver's left it looks to me like there is a glass panel missing, replaced by a piece of fabric or something. Glass panels are notoriously difficult to produce in North Korea.

Thank you jiachen for suggesting it.

В этой эпохе эта страна и застряла.

Выглядит как типичный советский город в пятидесятые или шестидесятые.

Thanks for the info, Pyongsong is updated as well.

A similar situation in Pyongsong, by the way. Except without even a non-revenue connection.

Northern line (pyongsong):
39.25652697388778, 125.82666634584182
39.24538026943572, 125.87664893953645
video of the railway station terminus https://youtu.be/anYd7hLU8KU?t=122

Southern line (technically "within pyongyang" at the far reaches, but often included as pyongsong):
39.23496354561441, 125.87016212635449
39.20366971653534, 125.8588128761671
https://transphoto.org/photo/1413077/

Quote (Yury LRTA, 21.11.2021):
> The second depot is added.

Thanks. I changed the Romanization from Dogsong to Doksong, and split the data for 113 and 121 in order to show them correctly in both depots

The second depot is added.

Quote (Yury LRTA, 21.11.2021):
> not used, at least not regularly.

when is it proper to add a second depot? The contact wire looks disconnected to me. I looked, the only buses that seemed to move between the two sections is bus 113 and 121.

This photo finally confirms the existence of the former second trolleybus branch in the southeast of the Hamhung system, to Ryongsung (in addition to the existing shorter branch to Hungdok).

There are now at least three known key elements: consistent dual poles on both sides of the road, visible all the way to Ryongsung in photos from space; strong concrete poles designed to support a trolleybus overhead; and remnants of trolleybus fixtures on poles.

This photo is from 2010. Best guesses regarding when this line was closed are solicited.

The original discussion regarding this branch was started here:
https://transphoto.org/photo/1413379/#2800092

Many thanks to Gamerdgl for this find.

A high resolution version of the photo is uploaded. A trolleybus overhead crossing is visible upon zooming in.

Based on the state of the overhead, this photo shows that the non-revenue connector segment between the two services in Hamhung is not used, at least not regularly.

Цитата (Gamerdgl, 30.03.2021):
> If it ever existed, it certainly has been taken down.

Yes, in any case this line existed in the past, and certainly doesn't exist / not operated anymore. The suspected poles line up almost perfectly within the following segment of the road:
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/39.82955...4m1!3e0
In all other similar cases it is a sure sign of a (former) trolleybus line. Sometimes we settle for less when we identify trolleybus lines ) I wish I could find a ground level photo of these poles - this road is frequented by foreigners b's of the narrow gauge railroad line nearby. The location of the loop near the stadium that I provided earlier is rather a stretch, I agree. I don't see any other option around Ryongsong.

Sorry, I don't know any websites that track bus routes.

Quote (Yury LRTA, 30.03.2021):
> unlikely location

I don't buy it, without either a verifiable image of electrical lines in that segment, or a bus with destination sign Ryongsung. If it ever existed, it certainly has been taken down. At least Ryongsong is a railway station, so it's semi plausible, with satellite imagery only it is easy to imagine things.

On a separate note I was able to verify a regular bus route in Pyongyang that seems to exist unchanged since 1989. https://c7.alamy.com/comp/C4A52T/people-...52T.jpg https://www.flickr.com/photos/gavgen/9586853901/ I assume the route number hasn't changed, which would make it route 10. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.0226547,...3m1!1e3 The turnaround loop in central pyongyang is a little elusive, I guess. I have found other bus routes but never one that seems to match with the old map so directly that I can be confident in the route number. Do you know of any websites that track regular bus routes?

Thanks for the info. The fact that there were two separate trolleybus services in Hamhung was more or less known (even though there is a non-revenue connection between the two lines).

The question that is not clear in Hamhung is the existence of the second branch in the south of the system in the past - to Unjung and Ryongsong. The two branches are shown on the following map:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid...62&z=14

This was derived from satellite images that show a clear and consistent pattern of poles on both sides of the road through Unjung to Ryongsong. However, the pattern disappears in Ryongsong. Early images in Google Earth from 2007-2009 suggest a possible loop with a few leftover overhead support poles in an unlikely location next to what looks like a stadium or a mass parade grounds:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hamhun...6124552

Keep in mind that the known loop near the Main Railway station in Hamhung is similarly 'hidden' in the backyard of buildings.

This picture contains a lot of information. The name of the central bus stops in this area are Seomundong. There is a confirmed route between Hoiyang and Deokseong. Additionally, the bus stop on the right-hand side ONLY shows the Hoiyang-Deokseong route. Based on this picture, and also the fact that there are no bus stops in the central segment (despite being wired), I think this suggests that there are actually two separate, unconnected trolleybus routes in Hamhung. Also, in every single picture in front of the railway station, the buses are only ever on the route Heungdeok - Yeokcheon. Nothing suggests a southern branch, either. The information is all contained in the map I made.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1...sharing

милая раскраска

Я и не говорю что фото плохое,просто выделил 3 поколения хамхынских троллейбусов.
Комментарий разместил именно здесь т.к. на фото видны и старые и обновлённые троллейбусы.