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Dmitry Ignaïev · Санкт-Петербург · 03.12.2023 12:04 MSK
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Цитата (Лев Мощевитин, 03.12.2023):
> потому что в том числе двухэтажные вагоны и КС высоко

В таком случае в некоторых трамвайных системах просто штанги подлиннее использовали. Это именно местная особенность
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Лев Мощевитин · Хайфа · 03.12.2023 07:22 MSK
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Цитата (Андрей Татрин, 02.12.2023):
> Довольно эпичная конструкция токоприёмника)

это потому что там ходят в том числе двухэтажные вагоны и КС высоко
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Dmitry Ignaïev · Санкт-Петербург · 03.12.2023 02:46 MSK
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Всё так, вот только модель "Blackpool Pantograph Car" уже есть в базе данных, так что не вижу смысла использовать общее наименование вагона, когда уже есть более конкретное, исторически использовавшееся.
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focus1965 · Антверпен · 02.12.2023 23:00 MSK
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I'll answer this as Local and General Editor.

As Local Editor. You can clearly read in the link that this tram was built by General Electric.

Now my answer as General Editor. I recently visited Kayseri with this particular line-up: https://transphoto.org/photo/1823501/
I was very curious about the type designation of the Bozankaya trams.
I visited every corner in the tram (including the steps and cabin) but found nothing, although there are plenty of signs: official approval, window compliance, electricity inspection... but nothing from the manufacturer itself.
The factory was later visited and after the official presentation, the question was asked: "what is the official name of the tramtypes"?
The answer was ... we don't have it and this was confirmed in Kayseri: they also didn't know. In the factory, we then asked how the distinction was made between the different types and then the answer came "the model year". It's on this basis that I've made the necessary adjustments as General Editor, although this is unofficial rather than official, as officially there is no distinction.
By the way, you have the same thing almost everywhere, see also CAF: the CAF Urbos 100 tram exists in infinite variants but carries the same designation everywhere.

It's then that I came to the conclusion (but not only me, also a very well-known international tram enthusiast who is also active here) that we have actually been relying for years on a Russian practice that is far from always or even never applied elsewhere: the nomenclature of tram types.
Of course: it's practical and I too have been familiar with it for years, also because this was also applied to Gotha and Tatra: these are vehicles I have also often photographed.

If you start looking at all trams in the world - and there are many more outside Russia than in Russia, and especially if we start looking at the historical aspect - you will find that there are few real designations for tram types.

A nice one to finish: the P.C.C.'s. These too were built in endless variants, in America and Europe and this by different manufacturers, but on the order form it really didn't say more than P.C.C.

I hope this helps you understand that type names are just not self-evident, because they were and are far from being applied everywhere.
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Dmitry Ignaïev · Санкт-Петербург · 02.12.2023 20:30 MSK
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Модель не та. Это Blackpool Pantograph Car. У него подставка для токоприёмника не такая, как у других вагонов. Изначально на ней стоял маленький пантограф: https://www.tramway.co.uk/trams/blackpoo...no-167/
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Андрей Татрин · Одинцово · 02.12.2023 18:09 MSK
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Довольно эпичная конструкция токоприёмника)
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